Yoga gets fatwa’d


Claiming that certain elements of yoga could “destroy the faith of a Muslim,” Malaysia’s National Fatwa Council (yes, Virginia, there really is a National Fatwa Council) has issued a fatwa against the practice of yoga.

“Islam is a complete way of life….. So there is no need to bring in elements from outside,” link

Oh yes, allah forbid, lest anything get in the way of this murderous, mysogenist, Jew-hating cult-world-view, masquerading as a religion.

12 Responses

  1. What about Yoda, is he still safe from the Fartwa Council Superstore?

  2. Hi, I was wondering of what do you think about the same request done by some Christian movements in the US. Are these movements so different from the “National Fatwa Council”? If not, why? Should we also be concerned that the same attempt to band ‘yoga’ in the US? see for instance http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_930.shtml

    It is not surprising that many of the ‘fatwas’ existing today (though not many Muslims would admit this) were actually inspired by the debate within certain evangelic theology or even Catholic church?
    For the yoga issue, see for instance this link:
    http://www.thebereancall.org/node/6381

  3. Are you truly wondering what I think, or did you post this comment to stir the pot?

    That you would point to an article that compares Christian groups to Islamic ones is quite telling. The issue of yoga aside, I would point out a rather obvious (to me at least) distinction: secular scrutiny of Christianity in this country might subject you to criticism, but not much else.

    Those words if written in a comparable context in an Islamic country would subject the author to a death sentence.

  4. Oh, crap, there’s a move to band yoga? Tell me it ain’t a marching band.

  5. Heh. Whenever I see anything comparing an Islamic “fatwa” to some church leader’s pronunciation on various subjects, I have to laugh at the ignorance displayed.

    A local church leader preached on Sunday about the evils of watching sports on Sunday. The church membership met, decided that he went too far, and fired him. They got a new church leader who didn’t think that watching football or Nascar on Sundays was a sin.

    Now, until such time that the ladies of the mosque can get together and decide that the Imam is an idiot and fire him, or walk across the street and attend a Christian church or convert to Buddhism if they so desire without fearing for their life, then I’ll be willing to entertain the absurd notion that Christianity and Islam are comparable.

  6. But, what about Yoda!

  7. He’s leading the band.

  8. Christianity and Islam are comparable. You just have to take a small trip back in time to see how. It is quite easy to state now, in the 21st century, that Christianity is much more open and kind than Islam. But that is only the case because America is more open and kind. The social structure of America allows for any one in it to display any opinion they want without fear of death or dismemberment. Islamic countries are not this way simply becuase of something that America has been practicing for centuries: separation of church and state. Most Muslims believe that such a concept is an affront to God.

    Now think back to a time before Christians practiced this doctrine. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition and the Salem witch trials, just to name a few of the more obvious examples. When you have a political atmosphere that exists as it did in these examples, and as it does today in most Islamic countries, you have the capacity for civil abuse. The political leaders need simply to tell the constituency that what they are doing had been handed down from God and you immediately have public opinion on your side. This is true for both pre-SoCaS Christian nations and many Islamic countries around the world. Turkey is one of a few exceptions that has implemented a form of secularism called laïcité. They even go so far as to deny the Muslim practice of hijab (the act of covering) in any and all governmental institutions.

  9. I’m always amazed when someone makes a comparison with islam and Christianity.
    It starts with the originators.
    So lets compare Jesus and mohammed.

    Jesus was a religious leader.
    Muhammad was religious leader and a military leader.

    Jesus never killed anyone.
    Muhammad killed an estimated 3,000 people, including beheading 700 Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina, A.D. 627

    Jesus never owned slaves.
    Muhammad received a fifth of the prisoners taken in battle, including women. (Sura 8:41)

    Jesus never married.
    Muhammad had many wives.(his last and favorite, Aisha was six years old when he married her, and nine when the marriage was consummated. Sick bastid!)

    Jesus never forced followers to continue believing. After Jesus made a difficult saying, “many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. Then Jesus said to the twelve, ‘Will ye also go away?’ Then Simon Peter answered him, ‘Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.'” (John 6:31-69)
    Muhammad forced followers to continue believing, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” (Hadith al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Bk. 84, No. 57)

    Jesus taught God was our Father (Matthew 6:10).
    Muhammad taught it was blasphemy to call Allah your father (Sura 5:18)

    Jesus taught man was made in God’s image. (Matthew 22:20, ref. Gen. 1:26-27, 9:6)
    Muhammad taught Allah has no image. (Sura 42:11, Sura 112:4)

    Jesus taught “forgive those who trespass against you.” (Matthew 6:10-15)
    Muhammad taught to avenge trespasses against your honor, family or religion.

    Jesus did not retaliate when violence was committed against him, saying “Father, forgive them.” (Luke 23:34)
    Muhammad retaliated when violence was committed against him, ordering the death of his enemies.

    Following Jesus was voluntary, from the inside out.
    Following Muhammad could be coerced, from the outside in.

    A martyr in Christian and Jewish thought is one who dies for his faith.
    A martyr in Islamic thought is one who dies for his faith while killing infidels.

    Christianity teaches God wants a personal relationship with each individual.
    Islam teaches individuals cannot have a personal relationship with Allah, as he is transcendent and unknowable.

    Jesus’ religion is known for forgiveness and love.
    Muhammad’s religion is known for obedience and fear.

    None of Jesus’ Apostles led armies. A village did not receive Jesus “and when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, ‘Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elias did?’ But he turned and rebuked them, and said, ‘Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.'” (Luke 9:52-56)
    All of the caliphs who followed Muhammad led armies. (Caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Muawiyya, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, etc.)

    In the first 300 years of Christianity, there were 10 major Roman persecutions, and Christians were fed to lions in the Colosseum. Never did Christians lead an armed resistance against those who attacked them.
    In the first 300 years of Islam, Muslim armies conquered Arabia, Persia, the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain, Southern France, Central Africa, and invaded vast areas of Asia and Asia Minor.

    Jesus’s teaching on how to treat enemies:

    * Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, pray for them which despitefully use you (Matthew 5:44).
    * Resist not evil (Matthew 5:39).
    * If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to them the other (Matthew 5:39).
    * If someone takes your coat, give them your shirt (Matthew 5:40).
    * If someone make you carry something one mile, carry it two (Matthew 5:41).
    * Forgive and you shall be forgiven (Matthew 6:14).
    * Judge not, that ye be not judged (Matthew 7:1).
    * Blessed are the peacemakers (Matthew 5:9).
    * Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy (Matthew 5:7).
    * Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not kill, but I say who ever is angry with his brother is in danger of the judgment (Matthew 5:21-22).
    * Treat others the same way you want them to treat you (Luke 6:27-36).
    * Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, whatever you do to the very least you have done unto me (Matthew 25:40).

    Muhammad’s teaching on how to treat enemies:

    * Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
    * Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
    * Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
    * Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
    * Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
    * If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
    * Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
    * Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
    * Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
    * No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
    * The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).

    Islam is a vile death cult, derived from the noxious ramblings of an epileptic, homicidal, pedophile.
    The default setting in Christianity and those in islam, couldn’t be more different.

  10. Fine, Steve. Show me your time machine and I’ll buy your argument.

  11. n2l,

    Actually, I was talking about the practice of the religion and not the people that the religion was based on. But I’m glad to see that you’ve mastered the fine art of cut and paste.

    nuke,

    It’s called a history book. I understand they’re hard to come by in the South, but I’m sure you’ll manage.

  12. okay doke.

    We might as well be comparing 12th century military capabilities with those of the 21st century.

    Sorry Steve. Your attempt at moral equivalence is very, very weak.

    And your regional bigotry is offensive.

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